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Posted by: jo Mar 27 2008, 01:47 PM

QUOTE
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3 COMMENTS:

abbe diaz said...
ooooooh what a bargain! hahaa for now anyways, yah ?

hey do yalls remember like way back in the day when Gawker was only about 100 bucks a week (or some shit) for a two line link?

i'd bought a few weeks worth, and then like a little whiles later, some article came out in the NY Times, it was "Diary of a Hosebag" or whatever ? and it was all about karim-amatullah and his uppity cunty doorgirl ??

anyways, right away, Gawker's choire-sicha declared it "the bestest thing he's ever read everrrr!!"

and i was all: "uhh hello ? i got about 500 pages worth of shit a thousand times better than that crap" (naomi, star-jones, & chelsea-clinton ? please bitch) and i got a return e-mail from choire-sicha saying something like "oh! my bad! but we don't really pay attention to our advertisers..."
swear to gawd.

anyhoo-- to make a stupid story short, later ons i heard a rumor from a book editor pal of mine that choire-sicha was actually friendly with that Hue (aha haa didja catch that? HUE for fuck's sake) ho-stess, and the only reason that young 20something ho with absolutely no prior writing experience at all managed to even get her story pitched to the Times in the first place was cuz choire-sicha was boinking frank-bruni at the time.

that's some crazy shit right ??

whatever. i'm just sayin.

xoxo
abbe diaz
PX This.

p.s. $30 bucks a week ? i'll think about it. seriously.
:)
MARCH 27, 2008 10:30 AM



abbe diaz said...
oh yah. and do i even have to mention how utterly FUCKFACEY Gawker was to me, subsequently ?

and now that all the mean ones are gone, nick-dento is totally sweating me.

i'm just sayin.
cuz y'know-- that's what happens when you get me started ahhahahahaa

bye !
MARCH 27, 2008 10:36 AM



abbe said...
ooops i meant to say denton but i think i like "dento" better !
MARCH 27, 2008 10:37 AM

 



This should be sent to gawker.com directly, but that's just my opinion.
 

Posted by: abbe Mar 27 2008, 02:58 PM

QUOTE (jo @ Mar 27 2008, 01:47 PM)
This should be sent to gawker.com directly, but that's just my opinion.

hahhahahahhaa YA LIKE THAT SHIT huh ? me too. i think i might blow it up and frame it.

i don't wanna send it to gawker, that's cheeze no ?
ahhahahaa i would much rather everybody who pops into this thread send it to them instead HINT HINT.

just kidding !

Posted by: abbe Mar 27 2008, 03:10 PM

oh fuck i completely forgot to mention the part where choire-sicha called that bitch "the people's hero" on his OWN PERSONAL blog too-- cuz ya know, calling that article the "bestest thing everrrrr" on Gawker wasn't enough.

oh my lord i almost popped a vessel. "the people's hero" ?? i don't know if you recall but like the very first line of that article was something like: "a couple walks up... i eye them with disdain cuz that's my job... i decide whether or not they're good enough to get in..."

mhmmp.

in the meantime, customers are walking up to me at the podium with tree stumps up their asses before i even utter a syllable, cuz they're ALREADY anticipating I'M going to be a snotty troll--
BECAUSE OF ATTITUDEY CUNTY TWATS LIKE THIS. all over new york city.


the fucking people's hero.

i think i blogged that day something like: "I'M the goddamned 'people' and that stupid little fuckwit is NOT. MY. HERO."


ahhahahhaa and then i get some idiotic illiterate e-mail from some "friend" of hers and he's all "boohooooo you called my friend a bitch....." it was a fucking riot.

oh man i gotta dig that shit out and add it to the "Greatest Hits" thread.

 

Posted by: abbe Mar 27 2008, 03:21 PM

ha HAA and then do you remember when Gawker wrote about my dinner with Eater ?? and some douchebag was all: "OMG Abbe Diaz is that crazy b*tch that was macking on Gawker like 2 years ago..."



yah. "macking" on them. i was MACKING on them ??
cuz i did a simple thing like buy a tiny little link instead of hiring a publicist to harangue them and suck their dicks instead ??


it's funny how i sign my name on all my comments at Gawker now and nobody fucking says boo to me. isn't it.

MUTHER FUKKERS.

 

Posted by: Dick Johnson Mar 27 2008, 03:56 PM

Hell hath no fury...

Hey Abbsterpiece, let me ask you something. When you go smacking people back on the internet, with that elephant-like memory of yours, does anyone ever think to say, "Uh... yeah... sorry 'bout all that"? Seems to me they'd save themselves a little bit of embarrassment.

LOL.

 

Posted by: Ferret-n-Chicken! Mar 27 2008, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (Dick Johnson @ Mar 27 2008, 03:56 PM)
Hell hath no fury...
Hey Abbsterpiece, let me ask you something. When you go smacking people back on the internet, with that elephant-like memory of yours, does anyone ever think to say, "Uh... yeah... sorry 'bout all that"? Seems to me they'd save themselves a little bit of embarrassment

In Lois' and JG's case maybe they could have saved themselves alot of embarrassment!!!!!

 

Posted by: angel Mar 27 2008, 07:13 PM

QUOTE (abbe @ Mar 27 2008, 03:10 PM)
ahhahahhaa and then i get some idiotic illiterate e-mail from some "friend" of hers and he's all "boohooooo you called my friend a bitch....." it was a fucking riot.
oh man i gotta dig that shit out and add it to the "Greatest Hits" thread.

 

QUOTE
From: "Diggs William" <xxx@yahoo.com>
To: pxthis@yahoo.com
You must be a horrible disappointment to yourself to
call Coco such horrible names. Somewhere in you, you
must know that your restaurant job isn't
"moonlighting"; that you're a total failure.
I know her, and she's great. You, clearly, are much
less than that. One thing, though-- I didn't know they
had maitre d's at Burger King. Are you volunteering,
or what?




From: "px this" <pxthis@yahoo.com>
To: "Diggs William" <xxx@yahoo.com>
Cc: tip@gawker.com

[dear choire-sicha, is this a friend of yours?
CHARMED, i'm sure]


hahahahahahahaha

don't make me laugh, you dumbass.

you know her? bully for you.

i know karim amatullah, and she wasn't exactly kind
to him either. or any of those other "celebrities" she
lambasted to get attention.

so before you go around fighting her battles for her
(INSIPIDLY, i might add) maybe you'd better try sticking a
mirror in her face first.

nice try, dweeb.





From: "Diggs William" <xxx@yahoo.com>
To: "px this" <pxthis@yahoo.com>
You have so little class (unlike Coco), and are
obviously so beneath EVERYone, I don't think I'll
bother with you anymore. You're nothing but an
under-educated foul mouthed wretch. You'll be on the
sidelines cursing at your betters forever. Tata,
loser.



Just tell me where you want it!

Posted by: angel Mar 27 2008, 07:25 PM

QUOTE (abbe @ Mar 27 2008, 01:47 PM)
and i was all: "uhh hello ? i got about 500 pages worth of shit a thousand times better than that crap" (naomi, star-jones, & chelsea-clinton ? please bitch)



Behold the Power of Google!

QUOTE
Coco Henson Scales's story, "The Hostess Diaries: My Year at a Hot Spot" is the only inclusion that seems ill-fit. Originally published in 2004, what might have been an interesting, even provocative story instead comes too far after Lauren Weisberger's The Devil Wears Prada and the reality TV show The Simple Life to be perceived as original. As the title so aptly suggests, Scales's brief piece chronicles her year as a hostess at an ber-hip restaurant in Manhattan. The problem isn't necessarily the subject matter but the delivery; the story climaxes as Scales escorts Monica Lewinsky out the back door in an attempt to avoid a (completely fictional) Chelsea Clinton run-in. Where the other stories succeed in smart analysis, Scales's turns up empty; it feels shallow and dwarfed in the collection.
http://www.hipsterbookclub.com/reviews/copy/1107/new_kings_of_nonfiction_ira_glass.html


It wasn't even real.
 

Posted by: Inkslinger Mar 28 2008, 11:28 AM

QUOTE (angel @ Mar 27 2008, 07:25 PM)
Behold the Power of Google!


Well, speaking of Google, I can't help but notice that even though she's called a 'journalist' in some of the entries, she hasn't written anything, since? Which is pretty surprising for such a promising young upstart that was recognized that quickly by the New York Times.

Are you sure that Frank Bruni and Chore Sicha didn't write that article, too? But then, why would they do that and not just have their names on it, and publish it as an interview with a hostess?

Nevermind, I think I just answered my own question.
 

Posted by: Inkslinger Mar 28 2008, 12:12 PM

 

QUOTE
The Hostess Diaries: My Year at a Hot Spot

By COCO HENSON SCALES
Published: July 11, 2004

IT is near midnight and I am standing at the door of the restaurant with Kevin, the bouncer, patiently waiting for customers, so that I can turn them away.

''Who are you here with?'' I ask a man holding a woman's hand.

''Just us,'' he says. Couples are usually passive, pleading. I look them up and down. I look past them and around them, even if there is no one else there. I bite my bottom lip as if I am genuinely worried for them. ''I don't know,'' I say pensively.

If they are meek and I am bored, I will let them in. But if they become agitated, I turn away, or even better -- pick the group behind them. Either way, my ego is going to get a boost.

I have been working at Hue, a Vietnamese restaurant and lounge in the West Village, since shortly after it opened last summer. From the beginning it was a hit with a young, fast crowd because of one of its owners, Karim Amatullah. He has been in the night life business for years, starting as a promoter and most recently as an owner of Halo. So many celebrities have been coming that we have grown selective. Once, Chad Lowe's assistant called and asked if he could have a table in the next hour. ''Sorry,'' I said, ''we're all booked.''

''Really? That's a shame because his wife, Academy-Award-winner-Hilary-Swank, is very hungry.''

''Ah, yes, something just opened up,'' I say.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9806E4D7133BF932A25754C0A9629C8B63



Not only does she have attitude, she's also pretty dumb. She had to be told Chad Lowe was married to Hillary Swank at the time?

No wonder you ate her for breakfast and spit her out.
 

Posted by: Jason Has-Binn Mar 28 2008, 01:13 PM

QUOTE (Inkslinger @ Mar 28 2008, 11:28 AM)
Are you sure that Frank Bruni and Chore Sicha didn't write that article, too? But then, why would they do that and not just have their names on it, and publish it as an interview with a hostess?
Nevermind, I think I just answered my own question.



CS/FB: "So, you're an impressive authority on hostessing in NY. Can you tell us some of the places where you've worked?"

CHS: "Hue."

CS/FB: "And?"

CHS: "Nowhere else, just Hue. But.... to be fair, it's actually pronounced 'hway'".

CS/FB: "Oh.....Kay. Well, how long hve you been working there?"

CHS: "About a year."

CS/FB: "Fascinating! Tell us more!"

CHS: "Well, I've seen Star Jones! In person! And also..... Naomi Campbell!"

CS/FB: "Uh....huh. Well. this is The New York Times. We're a very important newspaper, you see. A major political influence, even! We write about things like.... the President! We need something more than that!"

CHS: "Oh! I get it! Like Monica Lewinsky!"

CS/FB: "Yes, exactly! Got any stories like that?"

CHS: "Uh, sure! One time, at band camp..... I'm sorry, I mean, at Hue..... Uhh... Monica Lewinsky was there..... and uhhh.... Chelsea Clinton...."

CS/FB: "Yes? Go on, we love it! Did they run into each other?"

CHS: "Uhhh....no..... I escorted Monica out the back door! Just in time! I saved the day! And thus, the United States of America!"

CS/FB: "That's fascinating! Really?!!"

CHS: "Uhhh. No."

CS/FB: "Oh. Fuck it, we're running it anyway!"
 

Posted by: abbe Mar 28 2008, 02:14 PM

ha ha ha ha ahaha hahahhaa hahahahaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAhahahahaa

NEW THREAD, ANGEL. CHOP CHOP.

 

 

and THEN send it to Gawker.

eeh heee heeheeee hahahhahahhaa

 

Posted by: abbe Mar 28 2008, 02:01 PM

QUOTE (angel @ Mar 27 2008, 07:25 PM)
Behold the Power of Google!
It wasn't even real.




whaaat ??

no seriously. i mean




whaaat ??!!
 

Posted by: abbe Mar 28 2008, 02:12 PM

QUOTE (Inkslinger @ Mar 28 2008, 11:28 AM)
Are you sure that Frank Bruni and Chore Sicha didn't write that article, too?


oh haah that's just what the book editor said ! but i thought she was just being all "it haaaad to have been an editor, dahling. there is no such thiiiiiiing as a 'talented wriiiiiiter.' it's allllllllways about the editing, my dear. without ussss, these so-called authors would DIE."

hhahahhahhaha

 

QUOTE (Inkslinger @ Mar 28 2008, 11:28 AM)
But then, why would they do that and not just have their names on it, and publish it as an interview with a hostess?


well do you remember back then when teevee was actually making $$$ on shows like Sopranos and SATC and Six feet Under and whatnot, and it wasn't just all about tacky "reality" nonsense ??

evidently back then the networks were scooping up stories to Option, they were snapping up bazooka gum wrappers an'shit.

well supposably, according to the editor's hypothesis, this article was intended for optionville too. cuz like-- wasn't amy-sacco'sVanity Fair thingie scooped up right away ?? and the jason-itzlerNY Post thingie too ??

so yah.

like that.
 

Posted by: Inkslinger Mar 28 2008, 02:16 PM

QUOTE (Jason Has-Binn @ Mar 28 2008, 01:13 PM)
CS/FB: "So, you're an impressive authority on hostessing in NY. Can you tell us some of the places where you've worked?"

CHS: "Hue."

CS/FB: "And?"

CHS: "Nowhere else, just Hue. But.... to be fair, it's actually pronounced 'hway'".

CS/FB: "Oh.....Kay. Well, how long hve you been working there?"

CHS: "About a year."

CS/FB: "Fascinating! Tell us more!"

CHS: "Well, I've seen Star Jones! In person! And also..... Naomi Campbell!"

CS/FB: "Uh....huh. Well. this is The New York Times. We're a very important newspaper, you see. A major political influence, even! We write about things like.... the President! We need something more than that!"

CHS: "Oh! I get it! Like Monica Lewinsky!"

CS/FB: "Yes, exactly! Got any stories like that?"

CHS: "Uh, sure! One time, at band camp..... I'm sorry, I mean, at Hue..... Uhh... Monica Lewinsky was there..... and uhhh.... Chelsea Clinton...."

CS/FB: "Yes? Go on, we love it! Did they run into each other?"

CHS: "Uhhh....no..... I escorted Monica out the back door! Just in time! I saved the day! And thus, the United States of America!"

CS/FB: "That's fascinating! Really?!!"

CHS: "Uhhh. No."

CS/FB: "Oh. Fuck it, we're running it anyway!"


FB: "But, wait, what about that Maitre D'? You know, the one that wrote the book about all the hottest restaurants in town, for the last 4 years? She has hundreds of celebrities in her book! And in-depth descriptions of the behind-the-scenes working for the biggest names in the industry! Won't this article look ridiculous in comparison?"

CS: "Don't you worry about her. I am the Chief Editor for the most important media website in the world. If I don't I acknowledge that book even exists, she'll slink off and hide under a rock somewhere, never to be heard from again. But, if she dares to pop her head up, I'll unleash my army of snarky bloggers to make her wish she'd never tangled with Gawker! Trust me."

 

Posted by: Inkslinger Mar 28 2008, 02:18 PM

QUOTE (abbe @ Mar 28 2008, 02:15 PM)
and THEN send it to Gawker. eeh heee heeheeee hahahhahahhaa


Seriously, you should! I'll do it!

As soon as I make up a fake gmail account.
 

Posted by: abbe Mar 28 2008, 02:24 PM

QUOTE (Inkslinger @ Mar 28 2008, 02:16 PM)

FB: "But, wait, what about that Maitre D'? You know, the one that wrote the book about all the hottest restaurants in town, for the last 4 years? She has hundreds of celebrities in her book! And in-depth descriptions of the behind-the-scenes working for the biggest names in the industry! Won't this article look ridiculous in comparison?"

CS: "Don't you worry about her. I am the Chief Editor for the most important media website in the world. If I don't I acknowledge that book even exists, she'll slink off and hide under a rock somewhere, never to be heard from again. But, if she dares to pop her head up, I'll unleash my army of snarky bloggers to make her wish she'd never tangled with Gawker! Trust me."



hhahahahhahahahahahaha AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA hahahahahahahaa ahh oh man wait i gotta go get a tissue

 

Posted by: Dishwasher Mar 28 2008, 02:45 PM

Don't laugh..You'd be amazed.......

 

Posted by: Dick Johnson Mar 28 2008, 03:28 PM

QUOTE (abbe @ Mar 28 2008, 02:14 PM)
NEW THREAD, ANGEL. CHOP CHOP.

Pinned at the top! Titled The Coco/Choire/Bruni Conspiracy: Sucks to be an Unoriginal, Unimaginative Writer? Just Steal an Idea!

Fuckin' unbelieveable.

 

Posted by: Dick Johnson Mar 28 2008, 03:30 PM

QUOTE (Dishwasher @ Mar 28 2008, 02:45 PM)
Don't laugh..You'd be amazed.......

OK, maybe not that unbelievable, but you know what I mean.
 

Posted by: MILFweed Mar 28 2008, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (Inkslinger @ Mar 28 2008, 02:18 PM)
Seriously, you should! I'll do it!
As soon as I make up a fake gmail account.

And if you want to make sure they open it right away put 'Julia Allison' in the subject line.
 

Posted by: MILFweed Mar 28 2008, 04:14 PM

I was making a joke but on second thought I don't think you should send it to them at all. All it will do is open the door for them to ridicule Abbe some more. You think that just because alot of the writers have left that anything has changed there? You will the same problem you had in the beginning which is that there is nothing for them or other media outlets to gain by promoting your book. Do you honestly believe for one second that they are going to apologize and admit that the book is good? I used to work in PR. Believe me I know what I'm talking about.

If you're going to send it to anyone make sure that it's someone with no Gawker or Times connections. The fact that the book has so many enemies that don't want what's in it to be widely spread means pretty much all of NY media is out of the question. My suggestion would be to send it to press outside NY who have an interest in making Gawker and/or Times look bad like LA for example.
 

Posted by: MILFweed Mar 28 2008, 04:43 PM

QUOTE (Dick Johnson @ Mar 28 2008, 03:28 PM)
Pinned at the top! Titled The Coco/Choire/Bruni Conspiracy: Sucks to be an Unoriginal, Unimaginative Writer? Just Steal an Idea!
Fuckin' unbelieveable.


The evidence does seem to be mounting in that direction. A young writer out of nowhere suddenly gets a spot in The Times? And with such trite material? The best part of it wasn't even real? And the tone of the writing is so typically Gawker. Now that it's been hashed out it does seem hard to believe a young hostess would want to write a piece that makes herself sound so arrogant and self-entitled. And where has she been all this time? She gets an enviable spot in The Times just to slink off and throw it all away? It doesn't make any sense. "She" clearly has a skill for words but she hasn't turned up anywhere else? Not even a blog? Even the friend's email doesn't make sense. If she really was a hostess who had never heard of PX then how did the friend know to email Abbe if Gawker never acknowledged the book. And the email is so idiotic. "I know her and she's great" is the best he could come up with? If he knows she's so great then why not let her handle the task of defending her Times article herself?

As my husband would say: It's hinky.
 

Posted by: angel Mar 28 2008, 04:59 PM

QUOTE (abbe @ Mar 28 2008, 02:14 PM)
NEW THREAD, ANGEL. CHOP CHOP.


Yea yea.


QUOTE (Dick Johnson @ Mar 28 2008, 03:28 PM)
Pinned at the top! Titled The Coco/Choire/Bruni Conspiracy: Sucks to be an Unoriginal, Unimaginative Writer? Just Steal an Idea!

All of that won't fit in the title boxes.

 

Posted by: john.smith Mar 28 2008, 05:20 PM

holy shit.......................................
 

Posted by: Inkslinger Mar 28 2008, 06:57 PM

QUOTE (MILFweed @ Mar 28 2008, 04:43 PM)
The evidence does seem to be mounting in that direction. A young writer out of nowhere suddenly gets a spot in The Times? And with such trite material? The best part of it wasn't even real? And the tone of the writing is so typically Gawker. Now that it's been hashed out it does seem hard to believe a young hostess would want to write a piece that makes herself sound so arrogant and self-entitled. And where has she been all this time? She gets an enviable spot in The Times just to slink off and throw it all away? It doesn't make any sense. "She" clearly has a skill for words but she hasn't turned up anywhere else? Not even a blog? Even the friend's email doesn't make sense. If she really was a hostess who had never heard of PX then how did the friend know to email Abbe if Gawker never acknowledged the book. And the email is so idiotic. "I know her and she's great" is the best he could come up with? If he knows she's so great then why not let her handle the task of defending her Times article herself?
As my husband would say: It's hinky.


Good point!

And another thing, Gawker hardly ever says nice things about anyone, so if this guy loved the article so much that he made such a big deal out of it, then why wouldn't he think the same of the book? If he supposedly 'innocently' stumbled on this article in the Times, then shouldn't he have been happy to find out that an entire book exists on the same subject? A Gawker advertiser, no less? So then how come he doesn't mention it at all?

I smell a rat bigger than the one in Ratatouille.

 

QUOTE (MILFweed @ Mar 28 2008, 04:14 PM)
I was making a joke but on second thought I don't think you should send it to them at all. All it will do is open the door for them to ridicule Abbe some more. You think that just because alot of the writers have left that anything has changed there? You will the same problem you had in the beginning which is that there is nothing for them or other media outlets to gain by promoting your book. Do you honestly believe for one second that they are going to apologize and admit that the book is good?


So true.
 

Posted by: jo Mar 28 2008, 07:25 PM

QUOTE (Inkslinger @ Mar 28 2008, 06:57 PM)
Good point!
And another thing, Gawker hardly ever says nice things about anyone, so if this guy loved the article so much that he made such a big deal out of it, then why wouldn't he think the same of the book? If he supposedly 'innocently' stumbled on this article in the Times, then shouldn't he have been happy to find out that an entire book exists on the same subject? A Gawker advertiser, no less? So then how come he doesn't mention it at all?


It should also be noted that Choire Sicha not only received notices from Abbe regarding her book, but also from a relatively large number of PX This fans as well [prompted by an email exchange with Abbe herself]. Judging by the "cc" and/or confirmation emails in the pxthis inbox, the number could be anywhere from 15 to 35 people, who all wrote to gawker.com expressing their enthusiasm for Abbe's book at the time the gawker.com item on Scales appeared.

Despite this (and also being forwarded a link to Abbe's Daily News mention, which occurred within days of the NY Times article), no acknowledgement appeared on gawker.com, whatsoever.
 

Posted by: abbe Mar 31 2008, 11:19 AM

QUOTE (MILFweed @ Mar 28 2008, 04:14 PM)
If you're going to send it to anyone make sure that it's someone with no Gawker or Times connections. The fact that the book has so many enemies that don't want what's in it to be widely spread means pretty much all of NY media is out of the question. My suggestion would be to send it to press outside NY who have an interest in making Gawker and/or Times look bad like LA for example.


ah HA. i see. i get it

maybe somebody like joel-stein you mean ??

i haven't been following him lately but i really liked joel-stein when he was working for Entertainment Weekly. oh !

do you remember when joel-stein got fired ?? and Gawker linked to some discussion about it on some other little website. and there was this one dude spouting off some shit like "good riddance! joel stein sucked..." but it was like three pages long and some of the most verbose ostentatious pomposity you've ever read. i swear-- he was talking about Entertainment Weekly like it's the fucking WSJ or some shit. he was all: "thank the lord EW is saved now that joel stein is done!" i am not even kidding. it was fucking retarded

so then i went on there (i even signed on as "abbe") and i defended poor joel-stein. (ya know-- in that super awesome succint one-liner "shut yer face, moron" way of mine ?)

and eeheee evidently i started a "shitstorm" even Gawker linked back to it saying something like "wow who woulda thought peoples could be so passionate about joel-stein."



oh bummer i just tried to google it but i can't find it anywheres. boo !

but anyways

Joel Stein <---- hahahahaa now we don't even have to send it to him, we'll just let Googlie Alerts do its thang and maybe cute little joel-stein will come straight to us.

hahahahahahahhahaa

 

Posted by: abbe Mar 31 2008, 11:37 AM

QUOTE (Inkslinger @ Mar 28 2008, 06:57 PM)
And another thing, Gawker hardly ever says nice things about anyone


oh come on

they like Gossip Girl!
 

Posted by: CathyL Mar 31 2008, 02:27 PM

QUOTE (MILFweed @ Mar 28 2008, 04:14 PM)
If you're going to send it to anyone make sure that it's someone with no Gawker or Times connections. The fact that the book has so many enemies that don't want what's in it to be widely spread means pretty much all of NY media is out of the question. My suggestion would be to send it to press outside NY who have an interest in making Gawker and/or Times look bad like LA for example.


Send it to http://gastropoda.com/. She's interested in making EVERYONE look bad! For snark, the woman has no peer.
 

Posted by: virgo Mar 31 2008, 05:08 PM

QUOTE (abbe @ Mar 28 2008, 02:12 PM)
well do you remember back then when teevee was actually making $$$ on shows like Sopranos and SATC and Six feet Under and whatnot, and it wasn't just all about tacky "reality" nonsense ??
evidently back then the networks were scooping up stories to Option, they were snapping up bazooka gum wrappers an'shit.
well supposably, according to the editor's hypothesis, this article was intended for optionville too. cuz like-- wasn't amy-sacco'sVanity Fair thingie scooped up right away ?? and the jason-itzlerNY Post thingie too ??
so yah.
like that.


even though i think it's pretty foul, maybe it would have been good if someone tried to option it. my bf is an actor and he's knows a lot of wga writers. something like this happened to a friend of his a while ago, and the guy sued for plagiarism. i don't know if he ever got any money out of it, but i do know that his work got more attention because of it, and the work that got optioned was scrapped and never went any further, because the prod co didn't want to deal with any possible lawsuits.
 

Posted by: funfunfun Mar 31 2008, 08:29 PM


I like your way of thinking, although it's unclear which paty initiated the lawsuit. I'm all for throwing a monkey into some wannabe hack's wrench, so to speak, but there is an element of dancing with the devil here. And unless you've got a (spouse / cousin / college roommate with a) law degree and a modicum of free time, this can turn into an expensive hobby rather quickly. If you really don't care if your idea actually gets produced OR if you get sued OR that you don't get labeled an industry pariah, then you've got nothing to lose... In fact, ensuing brouhaha just might turn into an integral part of the story - or the story in and of itself...

While not a perfect analogue, your comment immediately reminded me of this situation:

http://www.observer.com/2008/oenophile-row-brooklyn-stoopmates-race-produce-wine-fraud-flick

I find the story of rival Rodenstock screenplays even more compelling than either of the Rodenstock stories on their own, but then again, I have the advantage of being completely uninvested emotionally, temporally or financially in any of said projects - perhaps that makes me uniquely suited to capitalize on said situation. Conversely, this might be precisely why Abbe may want to steer clear of the aforementioned "treachery". But, with the proper balance of bravura, zeal and emotional distance, I think you may really be onto something here... Really. Thoughts?

 

Posted by: Staff Meal Apr 1 2008, 11:52 AM

unfortunately in this case, i don't think abs would the grounds to sue because the stories are about 2 diff people working in 2 diff places. i remember when this all happened because i did write to gawker about abbe's book when the story came out in the times.

the thing in observer is about 2 people writing about the exact same story and there's not even a lawsuit. but also maybe that's because they are both writing about the same guy and not each one writing about their own lives.

no matter what, abbe's story is still 100x better esp now that it still has kept going. so anyone optioning the times article would just be dumb. i wouldn't think that trying to sue would be the right thing to do but if that times piece had gotten optioned then that would have been a good time to draw att to it the same way that everyone emailed gawker.

but now that you mention it i do think it's weird that the other hostess hasn't done anything since then. if it was me i would have taken that times journo credit and milked it for all it's worth. and yeah i can tell you that not just anyone can get their story printed in the ny times. esp if it's fictional.

 

Posted by: funfunfun Apr 1 2008, 05:07 PM

I was implying (or, maybe more accurately, trying to imply) that Abbe might actually be on the receiving end of said suit, especially if she intentionally stoked the fire and incluced numbnuts' account as part of her own story, if only to induce legal action and its incumbent publicity. I'm not advocating plagarism here - I (mis-) interpreted virgo's "foul" intentions as the act of rubbing our fair hostess' nose in the fact that Abbe would be using her story (in concert with her own) to garner both publicity and a production deal - two things that have thus far eluded our fair friend...

 

Posted by: virgo Apr 1 2008, 05:50 PM

no, i was saying the foul part was gawker pumping up the times article (especially if they wrote it themselves) after they already knew about abbe's book, and then refusing to acknowledge it after abbe (and other people) sent emails.

if abbe sent this thread out to other news outlets trying to get publicity, i don't think anyone could sue her for that, because she's not saying it's what happened, she just said she heard a rumor about it. and also that the evidence looks bad (which it actually does). the other hostess (assuming she's real) also wouldn't be able to sue abbe for anything, because abbe's book came out before that article did.

didn't some guy sue da vinci code because his book was similar and it was published first, but didn't get as much attention? he lost the case, but if hadn't sued, nobody would have ever heard of his book at all. but now i think you can buy it in the stores right alongside with dvc. obviously it's not as big a bestseller, but at least it's something better than he had going before.

and i agree with whoever said that abbe will always be having a hard time with nyc press. because the book is all about famous people and the hotspots and obviously the press is going to kiss those peoples' asses over abbe's.

 

Posted by: Inkslinger Apr 2 2008, 01:47 PM

Nice discussion, everyone!

There are some pretty good lessons here in "Passive PR". I'll have to keep them in mind when I finally publish my own novel.
 

Posted by: swee Mar 24 2009, 01:15 PM

Perhaps "PX This" is rescued from possible exploitation, as it would seem that Choire Sicha finally came up with an original book idea after all.

Oh wait, maybe he didn't.

"... Manhattan, where the rich and richer have completed their rout of most of what was different or interesting, leaving only a few pockets of sad and rapidly aging hipsters—a generation so obsessed with looking good that they forgot to actually do anything... the hipster generation got a raw deal. Impossible any more to shock, impossible to rebel, impossible to create anything not immediately appropriated by commercial interests, it was a generation destined to live in the long shadow of candle-waving boomers and desperately hip, dope-smoking parents... You also have to wonder, when did the 60s become the template for youth, when did this become the generation by which all others are measured?" - Brian McNally
http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2008/11/saigon200811?currentPage=3

 

Posted by: virgo Mar 25 2009, 01:18 PM

he should have stolen a better idea, bc this new one sounds stupid and boring.

 
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